Interview With Jack Nicklaus, Annika
Sorenstam, Ty Votaw
December 18, 2008TY VOTAW: Welcome, everyone, thank you very much for being
part of this phone call and this international media
teleconference. We appreciate you joining us today on late notice
and so close to the holiday season.
Without further ado I'd like to get started. On the phone
call with us today, we have two very special guests that
we'll have introduced here in a little bit.
Also on the call with me is Peter Dawson, the co-secretary of
the International Golf Federation, as well as the CEO of the
R&A, and also with us today are Jack Nicklaus and Annika
Sorenstam.
The reason for our phone call is the announcement that we are
very pleased to be able to make today, that two of the game's
all-time greatest players, Annika Sorenstam and Jack Nicklaus
have agreed to serve as global ambassadors in support of the
International Golf Federation's business to reinstate golf as
an Olympic sport.
We'll be turning the program over to Annika and to Jack in
a little bit to have them say a few remarks and then open it up
for questions.
But prior to that happening, as global ambassadors, these two
World Golf Hall of Fame members will be representing the Olympic
golf effort at select international events moving forward over
the next year leading up to the vote of the IOC in October of
next year in Copenhagen at the IOC session.
We'll be working very closely with the IGF's Olympic
Golf Committee which is spearheading the bid. This will include
the Olympic Golf Committee's future communications and
meetings with international meetings with the international
Olympic committee and other select events and meetings that
we'll be having over the course of the next ten months until
the vote takes place.
We couldn't be more pleased to have these two iconic golf
greats lend their support to this effort. No one is more
passionate about growing the game around the world than Annika
and Jack and having them be part of this process, we feel is
going to be very impactful and very important to us moving
forward.
At this time I'd like to introduce Peter Dawson to say a
few remarks before we ask Annika and Jack to share their
thoughts.
PETER DAWSON: Thank you, Ty. I think that golf's Olympic
bid is of enormous importance to the game. Not only will it
enhance the competitive landscape of our sport, but it will also
do an enormous amount to assist the growth of the game.
Especially in countries where golf is relatively new and where
Olympic sports receive a lot more attention than non-Olympic
sports.
We are very fortunate to have an increasing constituency in
the game behind our Olympic effort. All of the major
organizations in the professional and the amateur game are right
behind the bid. And an increasing number of current-day players
are also lending their support. It's quite a wave of support
that we are now experiencing.
But to have two of the greatest figures in the game in Annika
Sorenstam and Jack Nicklaus to join our bid as global
ambassadors, I'm quite sure is going to give our work a
tremendous boost and a tremendous fillet, and we could not be
more delighted that they have agreed to do this.
So without further ado, I'm going to hand over to Annika
and Jack, and perhaps Annika, you'd like to say a few words
first.
ANNIKA SORENSTAM: Thank you, Peter and thank you, Ty and
everybody. It is obviously with great honour that I am getting
involved in this project. I can only echo some of Peter's
comments, how important it is to get golf in the Olympics.
As you all know, golf has certainly changed my life. Now
it's time for me to give back to the game in different ways,
and this couldn't be a better timing for me as I'm really
determined to give back, because golf is just an amazing game. I
mean, it's taking me to all of these places and I've met
all of these people, and I can't think of any other sport
that would fit better in the Olympics for so many reasons.
It's a global game, and you know, some of the values that we
see in this game, it's just hard to find in any other
sport.
I'm just really, really excited to be part of it and
obviously going to do the best I can to make an impact on a
global level. You know, growing the game is very important to me.
I mean, my foundation is a lot about youth and introducing this
game and getting kids a chance to follow their dreams.
Another thing that I think is very exciting with the Olympics
is also here we have a chance to come together as a union with
all of the different organizations that care about the game.
It's male and female, and therefore, that's another
reason why I'm very excited about this. So I just want to
thank everybody for giving me a chance and looking forward to the
next few steps.
TY VOTAW: Very well said, Annika, thank you very much. And
Jack, it's an honour to have you on the phone as well as
Annika and we would appreciate you perhaps saying a few words on
this subject.
JACK NICKLAUS: Thanks, Ty, and Peter. And Annika, I
couldn't have said what you said better and I couldn't
agree with you more that are that area little bit of an aside,
part of why golf should be part of this is to benefit the Olympic
movement throughout the world. Golf is a perfect match with
Olympic ideals. Golf's inherent values embody the Olympic
spirit of honesty, integrity, dignity and sportsmanship.
Golf has become an international game with its international
stars and the thrill of our athletes to have the opportunity to
represent their respective countries every four years on the
world's grandest sports stage is something that I'm sure
all of the athletes will have something that they will remember
forever and they will have the opportunity to do so.
The Beijing Games truly showed how the Olympic Games inspired
the world's most famous athletes. You saw them from all over
the world go there and watch the inspiration that they received
from being at the Olympics.
As you said, it certainly represents a tremendous opportunity
for the growth of golf in countries where it is a developing
sport. The Olympics would be a catalyst to ignite golf's
growth and identity as an Olympic sport, and the funding it would
receive from those countries would be just tremendous for the
game of golf. It would obviously bring about some really, really
outstanding golfers in all of those countries as they move
forward.
And obviously to have the opportunity to represent the Olympic
golf initiative with Annika is a true honour. She's been a
true ambassador and a true sportsman, and of course, obviously
the best champion in the game the women's side has seen
forever. I'm delighted to be part of that.
I anticipate the opportunity where I can voice my support to
the IOC members, and, of course, I'll be discussing it
further with Ty and Peter as we go along. But to have the
opportunity personally to be involved with this is a big thrill
for me.
As I'm winding down my career, it seems to be as though
there seems to be another thing come along that sort of inspires
me and says: Okay, hey, you're not done old man, yet; you can
still contribute to the game. And so to have the opportunity to
contribute and try and hopefully bring golf into the Olympics is
something that I'm looking forward to very much.
TY VOTAW: Jack, thank you very much and Annika, thank you, as
well, for what you've meant to the game and for what you will
continue to be to the game, not only with this effort, but in
what you're doing to grow it around the world in other ways,
as well.
At this time I think it would be appropriate for us to open up
so that we can have Annika and Jack take some questions.
Q. Jack, what would your argument be to somebody that says
that there is enough international competition in golf when you
have the four majors, The Ryder Cup and The Presidents Cup?
JACK NICKLAUS: Well, that's totally different. You do have
a lot of world competition, but to have golf be an Olympic sport
being represented by every country in the world that plays the
game, to have the opportunity to develop in countries such as
China; India, whose population is immense; to have the
opportunity to grow the game in those countries and see the
golfers that will come out of there and see what might be,
because of the Olympics, how the game could grow and how it could
develop players from around those different places; I think
it's just truly amazing.
As I say, the other side of it is not only what can the
Olympics do for golf, but what can golf do for the Olympics. And
I think that the Olympics, as I said, the things that golf sort
of exemplifies are things that will just be stronger and
strengthen the Olympic ideals.
Q. And for Annika, I'm wondering if golf does become
part of the Olympics, would that lure you out of retirement to
represent Sweden one day?
ANNIKA SORENSTAM: (Laughing) I'm not really sure. I
haven't really thought about that. Obviously that's a few
years ahead.
Now I'm putting my efforts into growing the game in
different ways and this is one way. But it's certainly an
honour to get a chance to represent your country, and I can't
agree more with Jack. This is more than just -- we are not
just talking about a golf tournament here. We are talking about
the impact this has on the world and the game of golf.
If I would play or not, I don't really know. Of course,
the competition is going to be so tough that I don't know if
I would ever be ready. But it certainly would be an honor and
that's really what I'm hoping; that other players will
see when the time is here that you'll have a chance to really
make an impact on so many different levels.
JACK NICKLAUS: Gary, you're not going to ask me that?
I'll only be 76 then.
Q. Jack, if there's an Olympic qualifying process, feel
free. I think everybody loves seeing it.
JACK NICKLAUS: (Laughter).
Q. What kind of ways will you be able to use Jack and Annika
to help the movement? What's the first place we are going
to see them representing the IGF?
TY VOTAW: Well, there are going to be a couple of
opportunities between now and the vote. We would be working
obviously with Jack and Annika on their schedules to see whether
or not their participation in either of these things or others
would be appropriate for them. Again it's a scheduling
issue.
The first one would be the June presentation to the
international Olympic committee executive board that will take
place in Lausanne. That's the second presentation in this
process. The first, as you know, was done last month in Lausanne
in front of the IOC Program Commission, which is the body that
has been charged with evaluating each of the seven sports bids to
become part of the 2016 Games. That was the first presentation.
The second one will be June, as I mentioned. And then obviously
the IOC session in Copenhagen where the four bid cities for 2016
will be voted upon, as well as the seven sports that will be
voted on amongst other things will take place in that session.
And there may very well be an opportunity for Jack and Annika or
either one of them to participate in meetings with IOC members
during the session, as well as the presentation in June.
Those are two that immediately come to mind. There may be
others over the course of the next ten months, and obviously both
of those and others would be subject to their schedules and their
availability. But their announcement today reflects their
willingness to make themselves available in places where it would
be important for them to do so, and as I said, we are very
appreciative of that.
Q. Clearly this is part of the most organized effort we have
had yetto get golf into the Olympics and clearly it's the first
time where all of the constituencies are on board and working
in the same direction. Given all of that, what is your optimism
level at this point?
TY VOTAW: Well, Peter and I and the other voting members of
the IGF Olympic Golf Committee, when we undertook this process,
we all agreed that we would do our best. We would conduct this
bid process in a manner consistent with the values and ethos of
our sport, which all you can do is do the best you can do. Your
competition will do the best they will do. At the end of the day,
the results will be what they are. If someone shoots -- if
you shoot 63 and your opponent shoots 62, you've done the
best you can, but someone may have done better.
We are going to do the best we can, and we think the unified
approach that we have undertaken in this process with the
organizations that are involved, with the individuals that are
involved in the form of a Jack Nicklaus and an Annika Sorenstam
and with the support that we have received from the top players
that we put on display at the November presentation to the
program commission, all of those things are examples of us doing
the very best we can, and we will continue to do that all the way
through to the vote.
Obviously we would not be in this process if we were not
excited about our prospects and having the ability to be
successful, and we are going to do everything we can to make that
happen. I certainly having Annika Sorenstam and Jack Nicklaus
thrown their support behind it is a huge shot in the arm for us
to be successful.
Q. I would just like to ask the panel, is there a clear
strategy, is this all cleared to professional golf representing
their country and if that's the case would there be a Plan
B, per se, to have amateurs representing their country? Is that
something that's being considered or is considered?
PETER DAWSON: Well, it's been made very clear to us
throughout the process with the IOC, not just this time around,
but on previous occasions, that they are looking, understandably,
for the Olympic Games to cover the best athletes in the world at
any particular sport.
And so in golf, that very much means the top professionals and
that's what we are gearing up towards. We would not get golf
into the Olympics for amateurs, this has been made very clear to
us. This is for the top athletes in the world.
And the amateur ethos in the Olympic Games has really nowadays
disappeared. It's a concept of the past and it's about
the top athletes, whichever code they belong to.
Q. Has there been any feedback from the top players? I know
it's a busy schedule and congestion on schedules is very
much paramount these days. Has there been feedback at this
stage?
TY VOTAW: There has been. We made a presentation in November.
We have a film that was made that we presented at that
presentation that included not only Annika in it, but Tiger
Woods, Lorena Ochoa, Phil Mickelson, Vijay Singh and other top
players from both the men's and the women's game; Suzann
Pettersson and Karrie Webb and Paula Creamer on the women's
side and several others on the men's side where they all made
statements on camera in their own voice that they support golf in
the Olympics.
The challenge is that we are eight years away from the 2016
games, and we don't know exactly who the top players will be
in the world of golf in 2016. All we can do is take today's
top players and ask them what their support levels are and we
have received that in both the men's and the women's game
in a very gratifying way, and we look forward to having more
support from those corners as we go down this process.
Q. Jack, a question for you. The gold medal, it's not
something golfers dream of winning growing up, they don't
sit on a putting green imagining they are putting for a gold
medal. How do you think a gold medal would or should fit into
the dreams of golfers?
JACK NICKLAUS: Well, I'll have to say that I go back
through the years and one of the most prized things that I had in
my home was a medal display which included gold medals from the
U.S. Amateur, from the U.S. Open, from tournaments on the TOUR,
from World Cups and things like that. Those were all very, very
prized to me.
I mean, money, you can take and spend but a gold medal is
something you keep forever and treasure and have the memory of it
and something that you are very proud of. So I would think that
an Olympic gold medal for somebody, no matter who it would be is
something -- would be something they would relish and really
love to have and respect and would honor for a lifetime.
Q. Annika, you've changed your mind on Olympic golf,
haven't you, if I'm recalling correctly? Just wondering
how you've come around to the idea to the importance of
golf in the Olympics.
ANNIKA SORENSTAM: I would say, yeah, education and information
about the whole process. So, yeah, changed my mind. This is
probably several years ago. When I was presented with this
project and this information, I clearly understood what it was
all about.
Yes, I've changed my mind, and I want to echo what Jack
said. There are certain things in life that have so much prestige
and honor, and looking at, for example, a Solheim Cup or a Ryder
Cup, those are memories that just, you know, you don't get
from other golf tournaments, and it's totally the pride.
It's such a special opportunity for the game.
Q. For Jack and Annika, the World Amateur Team Championships
have long been regarded as the Olympics of golf. Jack, I
believe you played in 1960 and Annika in 1990 and 1992. Curious
whether the experience that you had there in that type of
international competition might have influenced your decision
to join this effort.
ANNIKA SORENSTAM: Like I said, those type of events are just
something that you don't get regularly, and those are the
events that I have the most memories from. You know, when you
stop playing as a professional, things change and therefore
it's nice to get this chance again.
So I would definitely say that there are few events through
their career that I've been lucky to play in and that's
one of them and those are the memories that stick with me
forever.
So whether I get the chance to play in 2016 or whoever, the
next generation, this is something they will be talking about
forever. And that's what is so unique about golf; the places
and the memories you have, it's incredible.
JACK NICKLAUS: I go back to 1960 at Merion. I was 20 years
old. The first round I was playing with a gentleman from Finland.
And we walked off and I'm going down, walking down the first
hole and he was looking on both sides of the fairways, and he
says, "Good gracious, look at these people. Jack, the only
people that have ever seen me play are the cows in the
fields." And I'll never forget that.
And I also remember what an international person I must have
been in 1960 and how good my geography was. I was also playing
with a gentlemen in one of the rounds, Esperitó Santo from
Portugal, and I'm a very suave 20-year-old college kid
walking down the fairways, and I turn over to him and I say,
"And just exactly what part of South America is
Portugal?" (Laughter).
So, you know, you go back and look at those memories and some
of those memories will happen in the Olympics, because people
will come out of countries that they never have had the
opportunity to go to another part of the world. They have only
been in their own country and never represented and maybe will
learn a little geography.
But the opportunity that I had playing in that World Cup and
playing with my team is an experience that still is very strong
in my memories and one that, you know, obviously the only thing
we got from that is a little medal thing that we represented our
country and played in that, and that was pretty special.
PETER DAWSON: And I think you won it, Jack, too, didn't
you?
JACK NICKLAUS: Well, we won it as a team. I won the
individual, but there really wasn't a individual prize.
PETER DAWSON: Well done.
Q. For those of us in golf, you make a very compelling
argument for inclusion in the Olympics, but the IOC is a very
political animal, and from the experiences you've had so
far, and going into June when you make the next presentation,
what do you see as the single biggest objection or negative
perception that you have to overcome to push this through?
TY VOTAW: Well, I don't know if that's been
articulated to us in any kind of meaningful way. The reactions
that we have received back from the IOC members that we have
spoken with, and the presentations that we made in November;
it's been very positive.
I do know the feedback that we have received in Beijing when
Peter and I were there, the common points that were made at that
point were: Is the sport united in its effort to make this
happen; does it speak with one voice, that being one.
And the second is, do the top players support the concept of
golf in the Olympics. And I believe that over the course of, as
we said, in November, and over the course of the next ten months,
in every conversation we have had, we have tried to demonstrate
that the world of golf from all corners, leading golf
organizations on both the men's and the women's side, the
amateur bodies and the Golf Federations from around the world and
the top players are united in this effort. And obviously the
statements and indications and support that we have gotten from
the top players of today as well as the iconic players, they are
on this phone call with us; our indication is also that the top
players support this.
We will continue to make these points as we move forward down
through this process, and the feedback we have received from the
IOC on those points has been very positive.
PETER DAWSON: I think if I could just add to that, Ty.
The other issue that we have been asked about quite often is
golf's calendar. And because we do have all of the bodies
represented on the International Golf Federation Olympic
Committee who have the power or the capability to adjust
golf's schedules, we have made the commitment to the IOC that
if golf is successful in its Olympic bid, we will ensure that the
schedules are adjusted in both the men's game and the
women's game to accommodate.
Q. Do you think that unit gives you a 1-up on roller sports
and squash?
PETER DAWSON: Well, as Ty said, we can only do the best that
golf can do. It's for other sports to make their own
cases.
Q. As a follow-up on a question that's already been
asked, but I think it's a topic that's very important
for the bid. Can I ask Annika and Jack if they think the
Olympics can become the pinnacle of the game from the
golfer's point of view, i.e., more important than the
majors, Ryder Cup and Solheim Cup, and if it's not the
pinnacle, how high up would it be on the players' list of
priorities?
JACK NICKLAUS: Well, I think that's a very good question.
I think that you're going to bring a whole new event into the
game of golf. The Olympics have never been -- it's been
1904 since golf has been part of the Olympics. Golf is a much
different game today than it was 104 years ago, and it will be
112 years if they are successful in playing in the next
(eligible) Olympics.
And that would remain to be seen. I think that winning an
Olympic gold medal has been a very valuable feeling for somebody
in any sport, and I think the difference -- it is
representing your country. When you play in the four majors,
you're representing yourself. Yes, you are a representative
of the United States or Sweden or wherever you might be, but to
represent your country in the Olympics and to win a gold medal
for that is something that will probably be grow stronger over
time.fa
Will it be, like Annika was talking about, like a Ryder Cup
and a Solheim Cup; it's something that's totally
different than playing in a major championship. Major
championships are very special as individuals, but as a
representative of your country and playing in that, I think it
will have a totally different meaning and I think it will be very
special.
Where it will rank, you know, I think that's going to
be -- time will tell.
ANNIKA SORENSTAM: And I would agree with that. Time will
certainly tell. And I think what makes the Solheim Cup and The
Ryder Cup so special is, you know, it only happens every other
year. Majors, there are only four and they are just very, very
special.
Here we have an event that will take place every four years.
So it's going to be a very elite and exclusive group that
gets a chance to go. So I would think that would make it even
more exciting and more special.
Growing up in sports and just watching the Olympics, I mean,
it was the top athletes that made it there. And again, to
represent your own country once every four years, that is very,
very special. That's one of the things that may be made me
reconsider my thoughts on the Olympics.
I would think all of those points, you know, in a few years or
decades or whatever it will take, I would think young golfers
would love the opportunity to be a part of it, and therefore, it
will make it very special.
PETER DAWSON: I would think, as well, to play golf at that
level while surrounded by the world's best athletes in the
Olympic Village and everything else from other sports will make
it doubly special, too.
TY VOTAW: And I'm reminded of Raf Nadal's answer to
that very question this past Olympics when he acknowledged in
tennis that the Grand Slam may very well be the pinnacle. But if
you're a sportsman the Olympics are the pinnacle and he felt
as a sportsman, he felt that was his best answer for his sport,
which has a lot of parallels in tennis of the schedule and major
championships in his sport.
I think the same, to have the top men and women golfers from
around the world consider themselves not only golfers, but also
sportsmen, would be a very positive and impactful sense on their
part for our sport.
Q. With new options around like power play golf in mind and
given the impact that other sports have achieved by coming up
with a shorter format of the game, particularly when you think
about the demands of TV, do you feel that a traditional 72-hole
tournament is the best format for the Olympics?
JACK NICKLAUS: I don't know what the format is going to
be. I think the format -- and I think that probably Peter or
Ty could answer that question better than I, or Annika. I would
think that -- I'm just not exactly sure what the format
really is.
TY VOTAW: Jack and Annika, for your benefit and for the
benefit of those on the line, we are in the process of talking to
the top players in both the men's and women's game to get
their feedback as to what format they feel would be the best test
for an Olympic golf competition. That will actually be
memorialized in the detailed questionnaire that we will be
providing to the IOC by the end of March. We are in the process
of getting that feedback.
The one thing that we have said in terms of some parameters
that we presented in November, Peter and I, in our presentation
to the Program Commission was: We do see this as an individual
competition, not a team competition; country-by-country, but
individual, and approximately 60 players for the men's and 60
players for the women. And whether it is stroke play or whether
it is match play or some combination of both is what we are
discussing with the top players.
Given the fact that the IOC has said that the top players have
to support and want to play in the Olympics if golf were part of
it, we think it's critical that we get that feedback from the
top players so that we maximize the potential for that sport, and
the format is certainly something that we are going to be going
to the top players and talking about before we submit the
bid.
Q. With regard to the after effects that would happen in the
game if golf was featured in the Olympics, does the technical
bid require the IGF to show what legacy there would be for the
grass roots game of golf should we be successful in the bids
becoming an Olympic sport?
PETER DAWSON: I believe it will. There are questions on that
topic, I understand, on the questionnaire that we have to
complete in the first quarter of 2009.
Of course, all of the bodies represented in the IGF Olympic
Committee are already working hard at grass roots level with
various programs and degrees of support. I'm sure we'll
be able to answer those questions very positively when we combine
what we are already doing with the input we are getting from all
of the members around the world of the International Golf
Federation country by country as to their current programs and
how they see funding growing in their individual countries if
golf is successful in its Olympic bid. So that's very much a
part of it.
TY VOTAW: On behalf of the International Golf Federation we
want to thank Annika and Jack for their support and their
commitment to this effort and their participation here today, and
we thank all of the participants on the call and wish you all a
very happy holiday and look forward to seeing and you working
with you in 2009 as we go through this process with the IOC.